Legal Case Analysis

Mahmoud Khalil v. William P. Joyce, 25-cv-01935, (S.D.N.Y.)

This is an interesting and challenging case, for me.

This is a Constitutional challenge to Mahmoud being detained and then deported. His claim is that this is a violation of his First and Fifth Amendment protected rights. Because it is a violation of his rights, the court should grant him relief.

Mahmoud is an Arab that claims to be a Palestinian. He entered the United States in December 2022 on a student visa to study for a Master’s degree at Columbia University in New York. He completed that degree in December 2024 and is going to graduate in May 2025. He married in November 2024 and got a green card.

He was granted a green card because he was married to a US citizen. He is still an alien, just not illegal. He has not overstayed his visa, nor is he required to leave when his visa expires.

His lawyer describes his actions in this way:

As a Palestinian, M.K. has felt compelled to be an outspoken advocate for Palestinian human rights and more recently, to speak out against Israel’s genocide in Gaza and the role of Columbia University in financing and in other ways facilitating the genocide. M.K. is committed to being a voice for his People, and calling on the rest of the world to stop providing weapons and support to enable the genocide in contravention with international law.

This describes his actions as speech. Regardless of how reprehensible that speech might be, it is still protected. The First Amendment protects reprehensible speech, not just the words we want to hear. It is easy to believe in “free speech” if the only allowed speech is that which we agree with.

This case is seeking the following relief:

  1. Assume jurisdiction over this matter
  2. Declare that the state violated Mahmoud’s First amendment and Fifth Amendment protected rights
  3. To keep Mahmoud in New York
  4. Release Mahmoud
  5. Pay Mahmoud’s legal fees

Item 3 is mooted because Mahmoud was out of New York before the case was filed. In a later filing they requested that he be returned to New York.

So we look at the Constitutional challenge. One of the things to note is that not all the Constitution applies to everyone. Some apply to Citizens and some apply to “the people”. The rights limited to citizens are called out by the term “citizen”. The rest of the time the founders use the terms “the people”, “person”, and “the accused.”

The Supreme Court has issued many opinions that restrict “The People” to those with a strong connection to the community politic.

With these in mind, it seems clear that Mahmoud is a member of the people. His rights are protected by most of the Constitution.

Is he challenging a federal law prohibiting the free exercise of or abridgment of his speech? Not directly.

Instead, he challenges the law as applied to him, His claim is that he can’t speak while detained and that the threat of detention has a chilling effect on his ability to speak freely.

The state has not justified his detention in court documents — yet. Instead, they are fighting the most relevant parts first. Bluntly, I don’t care if this asshole is deported or rotting in a jail cell. He’s not out there intimidating the people of the United States.

What the state did was they revoked his visa and his green card.

When can a green card be revoked?

5. Security-Related Reasons

Green card holders who engage in activities deemed threatening to U.S. national security can lose their status. This includes involvement in terrorism, espionage, or other activities that undermine the safety of the United States.

Examples of Security Violations

  • Membership in Terrorist Organizations: Being part of or assisting a terrorist group can lead to immediate revocation and deportation.
  • Espionage or Treason: Activities related to spying, intelligence gathering for foreign governments, or attempts to overthrow the government are considered severe violations.

Consequences: In addition to deportation, individuals accused of such activities may face criminal prosecution and significant legal penalties.

How a Green Card Can Be Revoked – Rebecca Black Immigration Law, (last visited Mar. 12, 2025)

What this means is that the state need only prove that Mahmoud was part of or assisting a terrorist group. Hamas is a designated terrorist group.

Conclusion

The left loves to talk about hate speech. They love it because it allows them to justify their violence. Hate speech is always in the eye of the offended.

“Violent” speech is violence, according to the left.

Violence can be countered with violence.

Therefore, you saying something that they disagree with is hate speech, which in turn is violence, which means they can punch you.

In the other direction, any real, physical violence they engage in is “just protests” and is “speech” protected by the Constitution.

They are going to lose this one. I’ve seen to many good filings from this administration to believe they aren’t going to win. Maybe not at the district level with all the rogue inferior judges, but they will win higher up.


Comments

4 responses to “Mahmoud Khalil v. William P. Joyce, 25-cv-01935, (S.D.N.Y.)”

  1. CBMTTek Avatar
    CBMTTek

    The issue is not, nor has it ever been about free speech.

    This is 100% a permanent resident (Not a US Citizen) advocating for, and assisting a designated terrorist group. Which, as you point out, is such an obvious no-no that a law site has it listed as the #1 example of how you can get your green card revoked.

    If the Feds were revoking his green card for some obscure violation that you have to dig through reams of US Code and Federal Regulations to identify, than… yes, it would be about stifling free speech. This is clearly not.

    Which, I guess is why the left is trying so hard to distort the reality of the situation, and turn it into something that gets them votes. The real test will be if the conservatives will fight back, and make the facts clear across the board.

    1. I haven’t read the full case, but I question whether “M.K.” was collecting money and supplies to send to Hamas (which would be actionable), or merely speaking out on behalf of Palestine (which is protected speech).

      Based on the snippets provided, it sounds more like the latter, which is not grounds for revoking a green card or visa. The First Amendment is for everyone — all the People, not just the citizenry.

      I need more information to decide on this one.

      1. CBMTTek Avatar
        CBMTTek

        Good point.
        I can only assume anyone revoking a green card has something more than what is seen on the news and on various social media sites.

        Odds are, he is not just joining in with a protest.

  2. I’m honestly on the fence about this one. Specifically, I have one question that I feel needs clarification:

    Does “M.K.” support and advocate for Hamas, or Palestine/Palestinians?

    Now, for practical purposes, they are one and the same — Hamas seizes and claims ownership of all aid sent to Gaza, and when things “go kinetic” the civilians are just as brutally violent as Hamas’ uniformed soldiers.

    But for legal purposes, Hamas and the Palestinian people are two different parties, and only one is a State-Department-designated terror group. This, in my opinion, is why Israel’s military actions in Gaza are NOT a “genocide”; the IDF is carefully differentiating between Hamas and the civilian population to the greatest extent possible (often going well beyond “reasonably possible”).

    Also, simple advocacyspeaking in favor of a policy or cause in an attempt to influence opinions — is 100% protected speech. We don’t arrest Neo-Nazis from their soap-boxes merely because we disagree with them, and we shouldn’t arrest or deport pro-Palestine or even pro-Hamas people just because we don’t like what they say. OTOH, support, especially monetary and material support, is not speech and may result in sanctions.

    In summary: Supporting and advocating for Palestine and its people, though disagreeable on many levels, is allowed. Advocating for Hamas by speaking in favor of them, though disgusting, is still allowed. But supporting Hamas — especially if “M.K.” was sending money or material aid to them — goes beyond free speech protections.

    So there’s the rub. What, exactly, was “M.K.” doing, and for whom?

    It sounds like a distinction without a difference, and that may be. But I think these details could make or break the case against him.

    (Note: All the above is my “IANAL” opinion, based on my current understanding of the situation. I could be wrong, and if so I am open to correction.)

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