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The Law in the Andrew Lester Shooting

We’ve heard the press statements, and some of it is pretty obviously slanted. Andrew Branca has done a couple of videos on it so far.

Yesterday, he brought up that you can use deadly force under other circumstances than in protection of self or others. In this case, he brought up Missouri laws on defense of highly defensible property.

The currently known facts show that Ralph Yarl was on Lester’s property. He was found shot on Lester’s property. We know that Yarl was 16 years old, large, black, and six foot tall or a bit more.

This can be seen as intimidating.

563.031. Use of force in defense of persons.

  1. A person may, subject to the provisions of subsection 2 of this section, use physical force upon another person when and to the extent he or she reasonably believes such force to be necessary to defend himself or herself or a third person from what he or she reasonably believes to be the use or imminent use of unlawful force by such other person, unless:
    1. The actor was the initial aggressor; except that in such case his or her use of force is nevertheless justifiable provided:
      1. He or she has withdrawn from the encounter and effectively communicated such withdrawal to such other person but the latter persists in continuing the incident by the use or threatened use of unlawful force; or
      2. He or she is a law enforcement officer and as such is an aggressor pursuant to section 563.046; or
      3. The aggressor is justified under some other provision of this chapter or other provision of law;
    2. Under the circumstances as the actor reasonably believes them to be, the person whom he or she seeks to protect would not be justified in using such protective force;
    3. The actor was attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of a forcible felony.
  2. A person shall not use deadly force upon another person under the circumstances specified in subsection 1 of this section unless:
    1. He or she reasonably believes that such deadly force is necessary to protect himself, or herself or her unborn child, or another against death, serious physical injury, or any forcible felony;
    2. Such force is used against a person who unlawfully enters, remains after unlawfully entering, or attempts to unlawfully enter a dwelling, residence, or vehicle lawfully occupied by such person; or
    3. Such force is used against a person who unlawfully enters, remains after unlawfully entering, or attempts to unlawfully enter private property that is owned or leased by an individual, or is occupied by an individual who has been given specific authority by the property owner to occupy the property, claiming a justification of using protective force under this section.
  3. A person does not have a duty to retreat:
    1. From a dwelling, residence, or vehicle where the person is not unlawfully entering or unlawfully remaining;
    2. From private property that is owned or leased by such individual; or
    3. If the person is in any other location such person has the right to be.
  4. The justification afforded by this section extends to the use of physical restraint as protective force provided that the actor takes all reasonable measures to terminate the restraint as soon as it is reasonable to do so.
  5. The defendant shall have the burden of injecting the issue of justification under this section. If a defendant asserts that his or her use of force is described under subdivision (2) of subsection 2 of this section, the burden shall then be on the state to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant did not reasonably believe that the use of such force was necessary to defend against what he or she reasonably believed was the use or imminent use of unlawful force.

Revised Statutes of Missouri, RSMo Section 563.031

The words in red are the ones to note. The question before the court is likely to become “Was Yarl attempting to unlawful enter as perceived by a reasonable person?” If this happens it is likely that the shooter will be found not guilty.

On the other hand, black person shot by white man, chances of white man getting convicted is damn high, even with no other evidence but for the skin color.

Bad Numbers, link dump

I’ve been working on a post that is taking a bit of research. It has required me to examine over a dozen cases and search the dockets of each one looking for supplemental testimony. I.e. experts weighing in with their opinions. So instead you get:

All those links to people claiming horrible numbers of people have somebody in their family that was killed bywith a gun.

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Here is a link to another WTF are they talking about article.

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Originally brought to my notice by 90 Miles From Tyranny

Tuesday Tunes

There are entire movies based on tropes. The trope of the tired old man that just wants to be left alone who is bothered to the point where he is forced to react, forced to take action.

People forget that there are old soldiers and there are bold soldiers, there are very few old and bold soldiers.

Those grizzled old men are sometimes more than they seem at first glance.

One of the favorite stories my family tells is of the day when a friend of ours, a former mercenary, yes, verified, was trying to teach my daughter some self-defense. I was only paying half an eye on them when I heard him tell her, “Just kick him in the balls”.

I stood up and told them both, “no”. Yes, if you get a guy in the balls he might stop attacking, but that is not for sure. In addition, most guys have a lifetime of experience guarding the family jewels. I told them that a leg sweep was much better.

Our friend is in his early to mid 20s. I’m old, slow, and fat in my late 50s at the time. I went over to give a short demo. He and I put hands on each other and I asked if he was ready.

On his “yes” I swept the leg, he went horizontal, I pulled up just before he hit the ground.

He was very, very surprised. He didn’t expect an old man to be able to do that.

Old men have to be tricky. Don’t assume that just because they don’t run like the wind they can’t do.

Remember that quote from Quigley Down Under I said I didn’t like them. I never said I couldn’t use one.

And another from Dean Brody

Why it is hard to unconditionally support the thin blue line, maybe?

Updated: When I was eating breakfast, Hagar watched the video.  When she came to the place where the cops opened fire, the cop yell’s “hands up”, not “Drop the Gun”.  I got it wrong. Eyewitnesses are notoriously unreliable.


Honest, I wrote this before J.Kb. posted his version.

At the end of May in 2020 I watched camera footage of a police officer kneeling on the neck of a black man, slowly chocking him to death while the man repeated over and over again “I can’t breathe”.

I was so angry. I was glad I had not observed that in person. I did not know if I would have had the courage to intervene to save that man’s life. An out of control cop murdered a black man while people were screaming at him to stop.

When we discussed that horrific video at the table that night, we were all convinced that we had witnessed a cop killing an unarmed, handcuffed black man. Why? Why would he do that?

Over the next few weeks, we started to find out more. As always, it is best to wait to find out the facts, not what we think we saw. It turns out that the black man was a career criminal who was in the process of overdosing. He had just tried to pass off counterfeit money, was attempting to evade the police and had been just been removed from the squad because he was “having problems breathing”.

It seems likely that he had swallowed his stash, which is the cause of the overdose. Once he was out of the squad and before the famous video began, he was struggling with a police officer. The police officer was not “kneeling on his neck” but actually had his knee on the man’s shoulders holding him down, waiting until it was safe to transfer him to the EMTs for transport.

This incident led to a summer of violence in multiple cities and is still with us today. That one video with the massive narrative behind it has done more to damage our society in the last 5 years than any single event I can think of outside of 9/11 and 12/7.

And it was all based on a lie.

When I received an email describing the outrageous behavior of a bunch of cops that murdered a man, I started to write a highly emotional response, ready to slam the cops for their actions.

Here is how that article began:

On April 5th, 2023 an elite team of officers were responding to a domestic violence report. The cops showed up at the house and did the cop knock. Of course, the left plenty of time for people to respond.
AWA, rough draft

I finished that short paragraph and realized that I wanted to verify the type of knock, the length of time that was allowed for the residents to respond. I watched the video. What I saw was stupidity that ended a man’s life and will or should end another’s career.

The facts of the incident:

Three cops respond to a domestic violence call. They approach on foot. The arrive at a suburbia home, nicely maintained, outside lights on, inside lights out. No noises from inside the house.

The lead officer opens the screen door and politely knocks. It wasn’t the demanding cop knock of fame. It was a polite knock on the door. He waited about 40 seconds and knocked again. He waited another 40 seconds and knocked a third time.

At that point, the cops start talking with dispatch to have dispatch call the 911 caller back to get them to come to the door. To quote a television cop, Something seemed hinkey. While waiting on dispatch, the three cops start talking and realize they are at the wrong address. The lead cop chuckles and starts to back away.

As this happens, he sees the male resident coming to the door. Lights come on inside the house for the first time. Lead cop exclaims something like “oh shit”.

As the door opens and the male resident starts to open the screen door, the lead cop’s gun starts to come up. In the video, I see what looks like a pistol coming up and the man going into a two-handed stance with the gun pointed straight at the cop.

When the door started to open, all three cops turned on their lights and pointed them at the door. The resident was not seeing anything but shapes behind those bright lights. There were no flashing red and blues. There was nothing except three very bright lights pointed at him.

Lead cop yells, Drop the gun! About the time you hear the n of gun, he opens fire and the man drops. The other cops start firing as well.

The cops move back, a female resident comes to the door screaming about her husband. As she comes out the door, there is a very, very short flash from her hands. My first thought on seeing that flash was that it looked like a gun shot. There was no sound to go with it, but all three cops respond by opening fire once again.

You can go watch it yourself, sorry, but it is on the book of acquaintances.

So what happened?

The cops showed up at the wrong fucking house. They were at the wrong house number. Some reports say it was even the wrong street. They woke up the residents at 2330. The residents responded poorly by, to quote Miguel, Breaking the perimeter.

These cops are going to get away with murder. They are going to be covered under qualified immunity. They fucked up so badly that at least one person is dead and another was wounded. They should be fired. They should have their cop licenses revoked. They should have to do pen entice for the next 40 years, daily.

Maybe somebody who is a law enforcement officer can tell me why they didn’t park in front of the house with lights on? That might have saved lives.

For us, it teaches us, once again, don’t break the perimeter. Don’t expose yourself. Know your target and what is beyond it.

I hurt for that family. I’m angry. I hope we all learn something from this.

Leading Cause of Death in Children?

So this has popped up over and over again. There is another study from KFF saying that 1 in 5 (19%) of people say that a family member was killed by a gun. These number are scary scary numbers. Has something happened?

Well I started digging through the CDC and NEJM letter and numbers and it is just to much work for me right now. I’ve got paying clients that need that time. Instead I’ll give you a YouTube video that covers much of what I was planning on saying:

The current population of the United States is around 331,900,000. If 19% of those people have had a family member killed by a gun that means 63,061,000 people have had somebody in their family killed by a gun. Given that there are around 45,000 gun related deaths per year, this number seems a little high.

The average family size in the US is currently around 3.1. That doesn’t really help. Looking at household size by city shows that doesn’t make a real difference either. It looks like race doesn’t really make that much difference either.

So let’s extend that from immediate family to extended family. We move to two generates, that gives us 4 + 3 + 3 or 10. If we go to three generations that takes use to 10 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 = 22. So we will use 22 as our base number for extended family.

That gives us 15,086,363 extended families in the US. If 19% of those families had a gun related death that would mean that
2,866,408 families had a gun related death in that family.

Again 45,000 deaths per year. It would take 63+ years to reach that number of deaths.

Given what they asked and how they asked it, my guess is that they are polling urban black neighborhoods at a rate that is over represented. In urban black centers there are often 100% rates of families having had somebody in their family shot.

The poll looks to be legit but the numbers they give just do not pass the sniff test.

The Power of Bruen

In 10 years I hope the Second Amendment community can look back at the Bruen decision and celebrate all that it did for us.

After Heller we all looked at there being a huge wave of getting our rights back. Unfortunately after McDonald it all stopped. The state found a way.

That two step process of means-end was horrific. It allowed any infringement to stand as long as the state said “it will promote the public good.” Yep, that’s good enough.

I keep using the phrase “Just how much were you raped, Mrs. Jones, we have to balance that against…”

The state has lost on the history and tradition front. You can see it in their filings. Over and over again the same regulations are presented and time after time they are discounted. The fact is that there were no gun control laws in the 1700’s. Gun control didn’t really get started until post civil war when it was used to disarm the newly freed and former freedmen.

This leads to what the state is attempting to do at this time.

First, they are attempting to change the era from which they pull regulations. If they can get the court to accept reconstruction era regulations then they will win in the infringing states/courts.

Next they are attempting to get the courts to accept regulations that are not a match but could be twisted with enough leverage to match their current infringement. To do this they have to get the court to accept that their infringement is there because of something new. This is likely to make some headway but not a lot. With Bruen behind us and enough judges with good moral conscious on the circuit courts it is unlikely to prevail.

The state is also trying to hide in the weeds by saying that certain infringements are acceptable because the Supreme Court didn’t directly say anything about it. This is SCOTUS saying that things are presumptively allowed. Presumptively allowed means that the court didn’t rule on that thing so is just going to allow it to stand, for now.

This is the argument that the state is using about “Good moral character”. Since the Supreme Court ONLY ruled against showing cause and used the term “lawful user” this means that “good moral character” is also allowed. Which the state will now define in such a way as to make it so painful that it is almost impossible to get through.

We are seeing sensitive places as expected. That is going to die. Not because the states will stop using it, but it is not a long term winning strategy for the state.

The thing that Bruen really did is that it leveled the playing field for the first time in over a decade. The state hates playing fair. They know they will lose.

The biggest argument that the state is pushing is that it is the plaintiff’s burden to prove. Over and over again in these filings the state says things like “The plaintiffs have failed to prove” or “The plaintiffs have offered no evidence.”

Everything that seems to be holding for the state right now is based on trying to flip the burden back on the plaintiffs.

We live in interesting times. We are winning.

Sorry for the filler. I’ve been researching the “More children die of gun violence than any other cause” lie. It is taking me a little bit of time to do so because the data is difficult to manipulate. I’ve got most of it downloaded and inserted into a database where I can actually process it.

Update on Rupp v. Bonta

This case was held at the Ninth Circuit court pending the Supreme Court’s opinion in Bruen. The Supreme Court then Granted certiorari to Duncan v. Bonta, vacated the opinion of the Ninth Circuit Court, then Remanded it back to the Ninth Circuit court to do the right thing. The Ninth Circuit Court, instead of making an opinion themselves vacated and remanded the District Court’s opinion (which found FOR Duncan on text, history, and tradition) with instructions to have the parties re-argue the case.

At the same time, the Ninth Circuit Court vacated and remanded Rupp v. Bonta back to the district court for for further proceedings consistent with” Bruen.Defendant’s Combined Opposition to Plaintiffs’ Motions to Exclude Testimony Under Federal Rule of Evidence 702

Rupp v. Bonta is still in progress. The state submitted testimony from 12 different “expert” witnesses. The plaintiffs(good guys) have filed motions under Federal Rules Of Evidence 702 to exclude the testimony of 5 of those “experts”. Of course the state objects.

The state is manipulating the question in front of the court. In keeping with Heller, we hold that when the Second Amendment’s plain text covers an individual’s conduct, the Constitution presumptively protects that conduct.New York State Rifle & Pistol Assn, Inc. v. Bruen, 142 S. Ct. 2111 – Supreme Court 2022 at 2126 The state restates this as i.e., that the challenged regulation prevents law-abiding citizens from “keep[ing]” or “bear[ing]” protected “Arms,” Id. Opposition to exclude at 10.

I don’t remember the word “protected” in the Second Amendment. The actual text of Bruen affirming and quoting Heller says that if the plain text covers the conduct, it is protected conduct. Noting about “protected arms”.

The concept of the Second Amendment only covering “protected arms” is a new argument. It is designed to allow the inferior courts to make a determination if a particular arm is protected, if it is not then the conduct is not protected.

The state continues their argument that they should be allowed a “more nuanced” approach to matching historical regulations because there is an “unprecedented societal concerns or dramatic technology changes.” Here the state is claiming that semi-automatic firearms with detachable magazines and scary looks is “dramatic technology changes”. Dramatic is something new that happened rapidly. Semi-automatic firearms, or “self loading” firearms have existed for at least a 100 years. It wasn’t dramatic. It was a simple progression.

Maybe Star Trek’s phasors would be dramatic technology change but even that is not clear. We are already working on laser weapons.

There is no “unprecedented societal concerns”. The busy-bodies have always had their noses in other peoples business for years. Murder has been around since before recorded history. Mass murder has been going on for a very long time.

And the media has told us that “mass shootings” aren’t a real concern because the media is making more of two state representatives being expelled for obstructing of an official proceeding. The President of the United States has been more upset that people might be angry with transgenders than of the shooting. So it must not be a big deal.

For those that need context, any murder is a big thing. Be it one person or a dozen or a hundred dozen, murder is wrong and the perpetrator(s) should be punished to the full extent of the law. Not all homicides are murder.

Thus, contemporary public-safety concerns remain relevant to determining whether a challenged law warrants a “more nuanced” historical analysis and is comparably justified.Id. at 13 The state so wants a multi-step process back. Means-end is the only way they can continue to infringe.

Mr. Busse provides expert testimony about semiautomatic, centerfire rifles and the features and accessories that can qualify them as assault weapons under the AWCA. Busse Report ¶¶ 11–21. Mr. Busse explains that none of the prohibited features, parts, or accessories—including a pistol grip on a rifle, a thumbhole stock, a flash suppressor on the muzzle of a rifle, a forward pistol grip, or a shortened barrel that would render the rifle less than 30 inches in length—is necessary to operate a semiautomatic, centerfire rifle for self-defense. Id. ¶¶ 12–15, 17–18, 21, 24. Plaintiffs do not argue that Mr. Busse’s testimony should be excluded due to inadequate qualifications. Instead, they argue that his expert opinions are not relevant under Bruen. They are wrong.
Id. at 14

The state is saying that as long as you get a barrel and the ability to load and fire it you don’t need any of those fancy things like a pistol grip. There is NOTHING in this guys testimony that has anything to do with whether or not this is conduct protected by the plain text of the Second Amendment. There is nothing in his testimony that has anything to do with historical regulation.

What this all comes down to is that the state recognizes that there are no historical regulations that match an AWB or a magazine ban or a “unsafe” handgun ban. Since they haven’t been able to find those historical regulations, they have to attack the question of “is it an arm?” and “is there something that allows us to bring up things other than historical regulations to support our infringement.”

Infringers got to infringe

Hawaii has been one of the most horrible locations for gun rights for decades. After McDonald they were suppose to be a “May Issue” state but when the records were checked they had not issued a single CCW permit in years and years and years.

They are worse than California, New York, New Jersey, or Massachusetts.

After almost a year they were proud to announce that they had issued 34(?) CCWs.

Of course infringers have to infringer.

Attorney General Anne Lopez told Hawaii News Now that House Bill 984 is intended to ensure Hawaii law is consistent with a recent Supreme Court decision. In the so-called Bruen decision, the Supreme Court overturned broad state restrictions on carrying guns in public. Now Green and other lawmakers are trying to create more protections ― for specific places.

The measure would bans guns in “sensitive places,” including schools, government buildings, libraries, parks, eateries and bars with alcohol, and public transportation. It would also require mandatory insurance coverage and there are felony penalties.

So they are following in the footsteps of NY, NJ and all the other states that have decided that they will issue a you a CCW but only after you prove you are good enough and then you’ll only be able to do so if you can avoid all the “legal gun free zones”.

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Granata v. Campbell MA Roster.

B.L.U.F. A win in the First Circuit Court of Appeals. Case challenging the MA handgun roster.


The FPC scored a win in a notoriously anti-gun rights First Circuit Court of Appeals. They heard oral arguments on the Tuesday the 4th and vacated the district court’s opinion yesterday, Friday 2023-04-07.

The case was first decided in May of 2022, before Bruen and we see the same standard path. The court first said that it assumed without deciding that the conduct was protected by the Second Amendment.

At that point the District Court moved on to decide the level of scrutiny required. Being the district court of Massachusetts of course the court decided to use intermediate scrutiny which of course allowed them to find the infringement “constitutional”

The date of dismissal is sort of interesting, it looks almost as if the court was rushing to get its decision out before the Bruen decision was published.

The FPC appealed to the First Circuit Court on June 15th, 2022. This was still before Bruen.

The Circuit Court had all of the documents in place by middle of July, less than a month after the District Court’s decision.
It wasn’t until August that a briefing schedule was set.

Another interesting case to follow because it shows just how many cases are being overturned due to Bruen