United States v. Verdugo-Urquidez

Legal History
B.L.U.F.
This case is quoted in Heller as the Court’s understanding of the meaning of “The People”. In reading the opinion, it becomes crystal clear that the Supreme Court has been using text, history, and tradition for a long time.

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Introduction

There are numerous terms we use to describe the courts and judges of the United States. The first term is “inferior”. This is a technical term. The Constitution establishes the Supreme Court and such inferior courts as congress might authorize.

All courts are inferior to the Supreme Court.

Below the Supreme Court are the Circuit Courts and state Supreme Courts. Under the Circuit courts are the district courts.

The states also have hierarchies of courts.

Inferior courts are supposed to follow the guidance given to them by their superiors. When they do not, they are “rogue” courts or justices.

I use the term “agenda driven” to describe those courts, judges, and justices that are so driving by their agenda that they can twist the plain text to mean whatever they want it to mean.

Listening to some questions and comments from circuit judges, it is often easy to identify those agenda-driven judges. When a judge says, “It can’t mean shall not infringe because that would mean we can’t regulate guns!”. It is pretty clear that their agenda is more important than the law.

Text, history, and tradition

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What’s a little power, between friend?

My lady has been off and on the book of face for the last 30 hours or so. She has been reporting on all the horrible, rotten things that have been happening to all of her friends and people of the town.

Did we notice that the electricity was out? Yes, we did.

What did it mean to us? Our movie night was interrupted.

That was it.

We were already running the wood stove, it kept right on running. We use heat powered fans to move the air off the wood stove. Those kept right on running.

I lit the oil lamp and there was plenty of light. She wanted more, so I lit the camp light, and she was able to continue to do her craft work.

We went to bed a little early.

The biggest issue? All the people who were stealing my bandwidth! Dirty thieves.

On a normal day, switching to a hot spot slows things down, but everything continues to function. When everybody is trying to hit the same cell tower to keep up with the book of face and Candy Crush, there is no bandwidth left for me to do actual work.

Last night we had steak, potatoes, onions, and mushrooms. No issues. This morning I had my normal Sunday meal, an omelette. The only difference was that I got home fries instead of toasted homemade bread.

Lunch was normal. Everything was normal except for streaming services being down.

Oh, that included hot showers for everybody. While we have an electric water heater, it isn’t required to take a hot shower. We have a rechargeable, battery-powered shower head. We boiled some water on the stove, added cold water from the taps into a 5 gal bucket. That gave us warm water and a “hot” shower.

Being without electric for a couple of days shouldn’t be an impossible thing.

Relax, read a book, do some hand crafts.

I hope everybody in the New England area is warm, safe and happy.

Carbajal-Flores a bit more

One of the things I keep reading, and I want to clarify:

Judge Coleman’s ruling applies only to Illegal Immigrants

No attribution because this, or versions of it, have been seen throughout the Internet.

Judge Coleman’s ruling does not apply to “illegal Immigrants”, “illegal aliens”, “green card holders”, “permanent residents”, or “citizens”. It ONLY applies to Mr. Carbajal-Flores.

But let’s compare this to the Rahimi case. Mr. Rahimi is a nasty, evil, no good, piece of shit. He is a bad guy.

His case is before the Supreme Court. They will be issuing an opinion on §922(g)(8).

Whether 18 U.S.C. §922(g)(8), which prohibits the possession of firearms by persons subject to domestic-violence protective orders, violates the Second Amendment on its face.

The Fifth Circuit says that it does violate the Constitution, The state disagrees.

Do I want bad guys with violent tendencies running around with guns? No!

Will Rahimi get out of jail and be free to roam the streets with firearms if the Supreme Court rules in his favor?

No. He will not.

Mr. Rahimi is in jail for the things he did, outside possessing a firearm, while under a domestic-violence restraining order.

The federal count of §922(g)(8) was one of many counts brought against Mr. Rahimi. He is not getting out of jail anytime soon.

Mr. Carbajal-Flores is in the same situation. He is an illegal alien, in Chicago, doing bad things.

Mr. Carbajal-Flores entered the United States, illegally, in or before 2002. In June 2020, he was hanging around the front of a business when he claims he was handed a firearm by a 3rd party. The group of men loitering in front of the business claim to be an “impromptu neighborhood watch”.

He claims that he witnessed four vehicles drive past the business yelling threats and pointing guns at the “neighborhood watch”.

Then, at 2306, he pulled the gun and fired seven rounds at a car which he claimed had swerved to strike one of the members of the “watch”. At 2340, he pulled the gun again, fired repeatedly at a different vehicle, but the gun had malfunctioned and no rounds were actually fired.

Shortly after that, he was arrested by the police.

After arrest, he was found to be an illegal alien.

He was handed over to ICE. An indictment was issued via grand jury. The court issued a warrant for his arrest. He “self-surrendered”. Bail was set at $4,500 and he was released on house arrest. That was later modified to allow him to continue to go to work.

After Bruen issued, he filed a motion to dismiss on an as applied Second Amendment Challenge to §922(g)5.

When Judge Coleman issued her memorandum and order in December 2022, she faithfully followed [xCite item=”V5XRKILK” pos=0] which is Seventh Circuit court case law extending Second Amendment protections to illegal aliens as part of The People.

The Seventh Circuit then said that under means-end, the state could deny Second Amendment protected rights to illegal aliens.

Judge Coleman just followed along.

In 2024, she reheard the request for dismissal. Using text, history, and tradition, found that the Second Amendment did protect the rights of illegal aliens to possess arms, AS APPLIED TO MR. CARBAJAL-FLORES

This case was never about whether he was a member of “The People”. It was always about means-end balancing.

Regardless, Mr. Carbajal-Flores violated multiple statutes. Having a gun was the easy one to prove. They have video evidence of him shooting at a car. They have video evidence of him trying to shoot a different car. Both of those are crimes.

He should be in jail for attempted murder. I don’t care if he thought the car was swerving to strike somebody, at the time he was shooting, the car was already leaving.

After he gets out of jail for attempted murder, his ass should be deported.

§922(g) is an evil statute. It should be removed.

If you are not moral enough to be carrying arms, you are not moral enough to be free of incarceration.

If you are locked up, you still have the right to keep and bear arms. You are being denied that right.

Once you are released, you still have the right to keep and bear arms.

If the state things that after being released you should still be denied your rights, then they should have kept you incarcerated.

Off the sandbox.

THANK YOU to everybody who joined in yesterday’s discussion.

Friday Feedback

Well, we made it through another week. Nothing destroyed the world, as we know it.

During WWI, WWII, through the end of the draft, in America, there was a core of people called “conscientious objectors”. These were people who were unwilling to kill for any reason.

This became “the thing” to do when you wanted to avoid the draft during Vietnam. Most so-called conscientious objectors were culled during the interview process. The question asked were of the sort: Would you use violence to defend yourself? What would you do if your wife/girlfriend was being raped?

If you answered any of the questions with some sort of violence, you lost your conscientious objector status.

I consider myself to be a constitutional absolutist. The constitution means what it was understood by its plain text at the time it was adopted, with the amendments meaning what the plain text meant when the amendment was ratified.

Text, history, and tradition is the correct method to interpret The Constitution.

“The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.” This is the plain text of the Second Amendment.

I’ve always considered “The People” to include more than just citizens. The Bill of Rights does not mention citizens. It uses “the people”, “the accused”, “him”, “his”, “person”, “himself”, “owner”. These are terms that encompass more than just citizens.

So I am torn when I learn of a case where a bad person is found to be part of The People. I don’t want bad people to be a part of The People.

This leads to the following for me: It is possible for somebody to be a part of The People and have certain inalienable rights, and still be deported or incarcerated. When they are released, they should have access to their rights returned. If they are deported and return, they still have inalienable rights. We can incarcerate them or deport them again.

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the right of The People

In June 2020, Heriberto Carbajal-Flores was found in possession of a handgun in Little Village, a neighborhood of Chicago.

As an illegal alien, he was charged under 18 U.S.C. §922(g)(5), possession of a firearm by an alien who is illegally or unlawfully in the United States.

  1. It shall be unlawful for any person—
    1. who, being an alien—
      1. is illegally or unlawfully in the United States; or
      2. except as provided in subsection (y)(2), has been admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa (as that term is defined in section 101(a)(26) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(26)));

    to ship or transport in interstate or foreign commerce, or possess in or affecting commerce, any firearm or ammunition; or to receive any firearm or ammunition which has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce.

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In her December 2022 order, Judge Sharon Johnson Coleman but it this way:

The Court presumes familiarity with its April 13, 2022 order denying Carbajal-Flores’ first motion to dismiss. As relevant here, on June 1, 2020, Defendant possessed a handgun in the Little Village neighborhood of Chicago, Illinois. Carbajal-Flores contends that he received and used the handgun for self-protection and protection of property. Because of Carbajal-Flores’ citizenship status, he was charged in violation of 18 U.S.C. §922(g)(5), which prohibits any noncitizen who is not legally authorized to be in the United States from “possess[ing] in or affecting commerce, any firearm or ammunition; or to receive any firearm or ammunition which has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce.”
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In her order, she talks about citizenship status and noncitizen. This is a strange way of putting it, but acceptable.

She then goes on to state the Heller methodology, as affirmed by Bruen correctly. Text, History, and Tradition.

The state argued that Carbajal-Flores was not part of The People because he was not a “law-abiding” resident of the United States. In turn, Carbajal-Flores argued that because the Seventh Circuit held that the Second Amendment protects an illegal alien’s right to keep and bear arms.

That rabbit hole leads to US v. Meza-Rodrigues. This is an opinion issued by a three judge merits panel for the Seventh Circuit court. That panel included the infamous judge Easterbrook and Judge Wood. They are infamous for finding that some firearms aren’t really arms under the plain text of the Second Amendment.

But as this case was about an illegal alien, or as Judge Wood put it whom we will call “unauthorized aliens”[xCite item=”V5XRKILK” pos=2], they had to twist differently than when it is actual law-abiding citizens.

Judge Wood expressed her grave concerns: The consequences of Meza-Rodriguez’s conviction are not theoretical; his right ever to reenter the United States hangs in the balance. [xCite item=”V5XRKILK” p=6 pos=3].

Yeah, you or me having our rights denied, no big deal, having an illegal alien have to stay in Mexico? That’s a gigantic deal.

Judge Flaum, concurred, saying:

I concur in the judgment. Unlike the majority, I have doubts that the Second Amendment grants undocumented immigrants the right to bear arms, as my read of District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), does not suggest such an expansive interpretation. But because we need not make that determination in reaching our result in this matter, I would follow the Tenth Circuit’s prudential approach and reserve resolution of this challenging constitutional question for a case that compels addressing it. See United States v. Huitron-Guizar, 678 F.3d 1164, 1169–70 (10th Cir. 2012)
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I don’t understand why Carbajal-Flores would cite to the concurring opinion, it doesn’t feel as strong as what Judge Wood wrote. Regardless, in Meza-Rodriguez the Seventh Circuit found that illegal aliens are part of “The People”.

What did Heller actually say?

What is more, in all six other provisions of the Constitution that mention “the people,” the term unambiguously refers to all members of the political community, not an unspecified subset. As we said in United States v. Verdugo-Urquidez, 494 U. S. 259, 265 (1990):

“ ‘[T]he people’ seems to have been a term of art employed in select parts of the Constitution. … [Its uses] suggest[t] that ‘the people’ protected by the Fourth Amendment, and by the First and Second Amendments, and to whom rights and powers are reserved in the Ninth and Tenth Amendments, refers to a class of persons who are part of a national community or who have otherwise developed sufficient connection with this country to be considered part of that community.

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The Seventh Circuit got it right in Meza-Rodriguez when they found that he was a person[s] who [is] part of a national community or who have otherwise developed sufficient connection with this country to be considered part of that community.[xCite item=”LPGQXCDT” p=580 pos=6]. He was smuggled into the US by his parents when he was less than 5 years of age. He had been a part of the community for an extend period of time.

I do not know enough about him to know if he was a “good guy” or a “bad guy”. Regardless, he met the criteria.

To be clear, in my opinion, Meza-Rodriguez was a member of the community and part of The People. He was also an illegal alien that needed to be deported.

On the other hand, Carbajal-Flores does not meet that criteria. He was a bad person, doing bad things, got caught doing it, was deported and should stay deported.

The state argued that he was not part of The People because he was not “law-abiding”. This is a losing argument. It should be a losing argument every time.

I don’t lose my Fifth Amendment protected rights because I did something considered “unlawful.” Nor do I lose my Fourth Amendment protected rights to be secure in my person and papers, just because the state says I am not “law-abiding”.

In 2022, Judge Sharon Johnson Coleman found that Carbajal-Flores was not part of “The People” and thus was not protected under the plain text of the Second Amendment. Carbajal-Flores filed a motion for reconsideration. This time, Judge Coleman found that he was a member of The People and entitled to Second Amendment Protections.

Having found that the plain text was implicated, the state bore the burden of proof to prove that there were regulations from the founding era banning the possession of arms to “non-citizens”.

The state failed. Judge Coleman found The noncitizen possession statute, 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(5), violates the Second Amendment as applied to Carbajal-Flores. Thus, the Court grants Carbajal-Flores’ motion to dismiss[xCite item=”PF898CI7″ p=7 pos=7]

Of note, this is an “as applied” finding. It does not extend to any other illegal alien. It only applies to Carbajal-Flores. The order can be cited in other cases but is not binding on any other court, nor does it affect §922(g).

Whether Judge Coleman was playing games, she was just about locked into this finding. As an inferior court to the Seventh, she should be following their rules, no matter how bad.

Nothing in this case screams that it is a violation of Heller or Seventh Circuit case law.

As an absolutist regarding the Constitution, I have to say anything that chips away at §922 or the NFA is a positive outcome.

So it stands like this, to me:

18 U.S.C. §922 is unconstitutional. Being an illegal alien is grounds for deportation.

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Chicago Sues Car Manufacture for Faulty Design

The city of Chicago is suing Toyota, accusing the company that makes one of the most popular vehicles in America of “willfully” ignoring a design that allows users to install third-party modifications such as more powerful aftermarket engines.

These modifications make the vehicles more powerful. For example, a 2.5L Tacoma can be upgraded by a user to have a 4.0L engine.

According to the suit, these allow anyone to circumvent long-standing federal and state fuel efficiency regulations. These replacement engines are available for anybody to order over the Internet.

Such an engine replacement can substantially increase the horsepower available. This can lead to loss of control by driver/operators.

While Toyota does manufacture these engines, they are for other vehicles. Third-party vendors are creating the swap in capabilities.

However, the suit accuses Toyota of making a “willful decision to not take meaningful action to address this problem”. They claim that other manufactures have designs that make third-party engine swaps more difficult or expensive.

The city claims that they have confiscated many of these Toyota vehicles with overpowered engines in the last few years.

You guys can go read the article in full:

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Tuesday Tunes

So today’s tunes was supposed to be about comparing some classic composers. How you can listen to just a few notes from Mozart or Bach and know who composed it.

Their styles are so different.

In the movie about Mozart, the King is portrayed as saying “there are too many notes”. Continuing on about how there are only so many notes you can hear at a time.

This song has nothing to do with any of that.

It’s 0215 as I write this. Ms. Google tossed the following in my music queue and I lost it laughing.

NSFW if you have those types of people that are easily offended.

Glossary – Updated 2024-03-18

Update:
Please note that all the terms below refer to the federal court system. State court systems have different names for different levels of court.

For example, in Illinois they have the state supreme court, appellate courts, and circuit courts.

The state supreme court is immediately below the US Supreme Court.

The appellate court is the state equivalent to the federal appellate courts.

But, the state circuit court is equivalent to the federal district court.

I currently do not have visibility into the state court systems. I normally only hear about them once they make their way into the federal system, via appeal.


Term Definition
Administrative Panel A three judge panel at the appellate level that hears motions on the courts emergency docket.
Administrative Stay A stay lasting a short time while a court looks into the motion.
Appeal A motion to a superior court requesting a correction to this courts order(s)
Appellate Court An inferior court immediately under the Supreme Court and above District Courts
Article III Courts The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish.
Assault Rifle Propaganda term for a center fire rifle that is scary.
Assault Rifle (2) A select fire rifle that fires an intermediate round.
Assault Weapon Propaganda term for a firearm that is scary.
Assault Weapon(2) Propaganda term for a center fire rifle that is scary.
AWA Anonymous Web Angel. Miguel’s name for me when I started supporting his site.
AWB Assault Weapon Ban
B.L.U.F. Bottom Line Up Front. Put the conclusion at the top of a document.
Case Docket The documents associated with a particular case
CCL Concealed Carry License
CCW Concealed Carry of Weapon
certiorari The Supreme Court’s word for an agreement to hear a case
Circuit Court Another name for an Appellate Court
Circus A derogatory term for a circuit court, e.g. The First Circus issued an opinion uploading an infringement based on means-end.
Court Docket The list of cases for a particular court.
District Court The most inferior court in the federal court system
Docket A collection of court documents
Emergency Docket A court’s docket for cases that require an immediate response. i.e. a request to stay an execution.
en banc The full circuit court, except for the Ninth Circuit. There are so many judges on the Ninth Circuit that their “en banc” panels are a subset of the entire court.
F.R.A.P. Federal Rules of Appellate Procedure
Final Judgment An order by the court closing a case after the trial or oral arguments.
GFZ GunFreeZone.net
GFZ (2) Propaganda term for a government mandated civilian disarmament zone. A location where only the criminals and government have arms.
Grant The Supreme Court or Circuit Court agreeing to hear a case.
Gun Safety Civilian Disarmament by law
Gun Safety (2) Treat every gun as if it is loaded, don’t point a gun at anything you are not willing to destroy, keep your bugger hook off the bang stick until you are ready to shoot, be aware of your target and anything beyond.
Gun Violence A propaganda term for any violence where a gun was present. Includes justifiable homicide, suicide, self-defense, murder and much more.
GVR To Grant certiorari, Vacate the inferior courts judgment, and Remand to the inferior court.
Inferior court Any federal court that is not the Supreme Court
Injunction An order by a court stopping a party and their minions from doing something.
interlocutory A case that does not have a judgment. It is still in the preliminary stages.
Judge’s Docket The list of cases assigned to a particular judge.
LCM Propaganda term for standard magazines that hold a scary number of rounds
Mass Shooting A propaganda term for any time guns are used when there was more than two people present.
Mass Shooting (2) the FBI defines a “mass shooting” as any incident in which at least four people are murdered with a gun.
Merits Panel A three judge panel at the appellate level that hears a case on its merits.
Motion A request by a party to the court for something. For example, a motion to dismiss.
Order(s) Instructions issued by a court. These can be scheduling orders, briefing requirements, granting or denying motions from the parties.
Permit to Purchase A scheme where you need to get government permission to exercise a core civil right.
Petition A particular type of motion
Preliminary Injunction An injunction that lasts for the duration of a case.
Remand To send a case to an inferior court for a do over.
Rogue Court A court that refuses to follow the Supreme Court’s decisions. See First, Second, Third, fourth, Seventh, and Ninth Circus courts.
Safe Storage A government mandate to make your firearms inaccessible in an emergency or urgency.
Safe Storage (2) Proper evaluation of your situation and protecting your firearms from unauthorized access.
Senior Judge A judge that is mostly retired. A judge that is inactive but still participates in cases.
Sensitive Location GFZ(2)
Sensitive Location (2) A location with comprehensive armed security where the location has accepted responsibility for providing security.
Shadow Docket A propaganda term for emergency docket used by people that don’t approve of courts making decisions regarding which case they will hear on an emergency basis.
Snark Come on, do you really need me to define this?
Standing A party has standing if there is a live issue and it affects the party.
Stay An order by a court stopping an action by that court or an inferior court
Summary Judgment An order by a court closing a case or part of a case based on the briefed merits before trial or oral arguments
Supreme Court The top court of the United States. There is NO court above the Supreme Court
Temporary Restraining Order An injunction that lasts until a court can decided on a preliminary injunction
TL;DR; To long; Didn’t Read; Rude way of saying that something was so wordy that you didn’t put in the effort to read it.
Tl;DR; (2) A note by the author of the short version of their article for people with short attention spans.
TRO Temporary Restraining Order
Vacate For a superior court to dismiss an inferior courts judgment
Winter Factors Four questions a court must answer before issuing a Preliminary Injunction or a stay.